Tuesday, January 23, 2007

An Inconvenient System

There has been a collective cry for welfare reform. Before this can be discussed, we must look at a few facts.

The following was taken from the Urban Institute:

No one likes the current welfare system. Governors complain that federal law is overly prescriptive and are willing to take less federal money in return for more flexibility. The public believes that welfare is anti-work and anti-family although polls show that the public wants welfare reformed in ways that do not penalize children. Welfare recipients find dealing with the system degrading and demoralizing; most would prefer to work. Experts note that welfare has done little to stem the growth of poverty among children. In all but two states, welfare benefits (including food stamps) are insufficient to move a family above the poverty line.

The majority of women on welfare had their first child as a teenager. Most of these births now occur outside of marriage and are unintended. However, there is little support in the research literature for the proposition that denying benefits to this group will prevent such pregnancies from occurring. Modest impacts on marriage and abortion are more likely.

Moving more children out of poverty requires that income from a low-wage job be combined with child care, health insurance, the Earned Income Tax Credit, and support from both parents. Child support reform in particular could reduce poverty and welfare costs as much as anything else that recently has been proposed.

At the same time, for budgetary reasons the broader safety net is predicted to shrink. The PRA alone provides 13 percent of the total five-year savings in the House budget resolution. Thus, even if no other low-income program such as Medicaid were affected by attempts to balance the budget, the poorest fifth of the population (which receives 4 percent of total U.S. income) would bear a disproportionate share of the burden.

In sum, measured against the objectives of providing adequate flexibility to the states, encouraging work, strengthening the family, and reducing poverty, most current proposals are found wanting.


Here in New York, we once had the CETA program. That was a program designed to give the poor on the job training. It filtered money back into the system as well as cut the welfare spending almost in half. It was the first program Pataki cut once in office.

Imagine, you're a divorced parent with two small children. You make minimum wage which amounts to about $170 a week, after taxes. You spend $50 of that on day care. That leaves you with $120 a week or $480 a month for rent, heat, lights, food.. Could you do it? Should the small children suffer?

I do agree that there are some that abuse the system, but should we, in good conscience abolish the entire system for the sins of a few?

My grandmother had congestive heart failure because she couldn't afford her medication. So she just didn't buy it. As you know, both of my grandparents were the hard working poor. Is this right? It is the complications of our system that caused her death.
We must also agree that the escalating unemployment rate and cost of living is having a hand in the welfare needs of many.

We must also think and consider the homeless. Not all are your stereotypical homeless. It can happen in an instant - to any one of us. If you don't believe me, re-read my "pro-choice" story. If not for my family, where would I be? My children? In order to receive welfare, you must have an address. Which in no way helps the homeless. They, the most needy, depend almost solely on private and church time and financial donations.

While I agree, there needs to be some reform, I am completely unwilling to give up on the system. I am unwilling to turn my back on the poor, those abandoned and neglected by their government on the local, state and national level. I refuse to give my tax dollars to the likes of Haliburton and ignore those in need.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ok now we got something that I can sink my teeth into. First! Get off the Haliburton shit. There are hundreds if not thousands of other major corporations recieving government assisatnce. One that comes to mind immediately was when the government help bail Chrysler out in the mid 80's. Amtrak is another.

Now, to the task at hand. You live in a smaller community, come down here to the big city if you want to see real welfare fraud. I see it constantly. I agree whole heartedly that assistance is needed by some people. But the government has made the welfare syatem so that generations of people have known nothing but welfare. It should be an aide not a way of life. There are always going to be abuses in any system. The gov't thought when they introduced the Independence Card and did away with the stamps that it would help curtail some of that. I know I can go right now and buy someones card and their PIN # for half of the value of what's on their card. It happens everyday.

A single mom with kids should be able to recieve assistance with the neccesities of life. That's what WIC is supposed to help with. I don't believe that welfare should be a lifelong thing either in most circumstances. If someone is not able to work I can see that. But, by the same token the system itself has made it such that you can get SSI just because you are a drunk. Alcohlism is considered a disability now by Social Security, as is drug addiction.
One of my suggestions has always been that we give assistance to those in need, but we preface that by letting these people know that we also help those that help themselves. If you are physically able to work then we should assist that person in finding employment. Even if it is flipping burgers for min wage. Now, you have a paycheck and are also making a contribution to society. A welfare advisor will sit down with you and help you budget your finances. Your assistance check will not be what you are expected to live on but rather an aid to help you get by. Just like when you are on unemployment (at least in theory) that person will be required to at least try to better themselves by applying for jobs that will may improve their financial well being. We do have a lot of unskilled labor in this country and a better job may not always be available because of lack of skill. In my plan the gov't would assist people in obtaining those skills by offering 0 to low interest loans to help them go to a technical or trade school and learn those the skills that will help them improve their lot in society. This is not a free ride because the money would have to be eventually repaid, but once someone can learn a trade and get into the workforce they can be weaned off the assistance and repayment of their "student loan" would be set up in a manner so it doesn't put undo strain on them.
Unfortunately we now have had generation after generation that have never held a job because they didn't have to. They always saw that every month like clockwork money would magically appear in their mailbox and they didn't have to do a thing for it. My plan would eliminate that. Everyone complains about their tax burden. If we had more taxpayers i.e working stiffs like you and me then there is a greater tax base and since welfare would now be an assistance program instead of what it has transgressed into now, it would cost less because there would be less being paid out and more tax dollars being there to help fund it. Of course no one would ever have the guts to instrument this program because it would require a complete overhaul of the system and I can almost gaurantee that someone would get lost in the cracks during the restructuring. No system is perfect, there is certain amount of flaw in anything but there has to be a change. Unfortunately there will never be a change despite what any Presidential candidate might try to tell you. It would be up to Congress to enact this program and no Senator or Representitive that has a large Urban constituency will risk their necks and the support of Urban vote to make this effort. Sorry I got a little long winded with this but it is one of my hot box topics.

Ziem said...

Okay, first of all, I won't get off my Haliburton bashing. They were awarded the no-bid contracts in Iraq - 1/3 of the money (my tax dollars) they can't even account for. Don't even get me started on their shoddy workmanship. But that's another story.

WIC is fine but I can't see where a box of cereal, a brick of cheese and a 1/2 gallon of milk is going to help keep the lights on.

As I stated, the CETA program was wonderful. For the first six months of OJT, half of the employees salary was paid by the program. I don't see where starting off the poor in debt is helping much.

As far as the foodstamp fraud, I agree, it is getting out of hand, even here. They are talking about some sort of identification process, fingerprinting is what they are talking about now.

I liked the workfare rather than welfare plan myself. Much of this was started back before WWII. Road cleaning and construction crews, daycare workers (which also lowers the daycare costs for lower income working families), "for the good of the community" jobs etc, I think not only would benefit the system, but also the community. I don't think solving this issue is that hard to do. I just think for some in government, it's easier to ignore the problems.

Anonymous said...

WIC was never meant to be an end all. It's help with ordinary things. We never had CETA here so I can't comment on it. I have no problem helping people that need help, being their only means of support does bother me. You also mentioned about the girls having babies young and unplanned. Somehwere, someone has to speak up for personal responsibility. Birth control today is so readily available and free that there is really no excuse for anyone to have an "oops" baby. And if you can't find it then dammit withdraw!! And no, it's not that hard to restructure the system if we could get the 535 boneheads in Congress to stop worrying about pork and start actually doing something worthwhile to help their constituency. Want to ease another tax burden? Have you ever seen the retirement plan for congress? They don't pay into social security and when they retire they make more money (our tax dollars at work) than they ever earned in their positions. This is also a problem on the state and local levels. Our State Comptroller lost in the Democratic Primary this past year. He is a lifelong public servant. William Donald Schaeffer has been in public office 50 years. He started on the Baltimore City Council, got elected Council President, was Mayor of Baltimore for eons, Served 2 Terms as Governor of Maryland and finished his career as State Comptroller for the past 10-12 years. His retirement will be $160,000 per year. The most he ever made in office was I believe $80K as Governor. I just looked at my Social Security statement of benefits and if I wait until age 70 to retire I will get a whopping $22K a year. Roughly half my yearly income. WTF is with that?? I think I have the Larry party platform formulated, y'all should get a good laugh out of it.

Ziem said...

Well, we do agree on one thing. Those who do not pay into social security should not receive it. Then again, SS should not be the governments piggy bank either.

I also agree with personal responsibility. If you remember, in my abortion thread, my financial status was one of my many concerns. However, accidents do happen. As it turns out, I became pregnant both times, while on the pill. I don't think an accident is improbable and I don't think that a parent should be condemned for it.

Anonymous said...

Uh, Elaine? How many of these unwed welfare mothers do you think were on the pill or even used any type of contraception? The pill is a bit better today than it was 20 years ago thank goodness. Hold it!!! YOU? Agree with me?? They're going to take away your liberal crecentials LOL!

Ziem said...

Actually Larry - and I do hope you're sitting dear - you seem just barely right of liberal. I don't go so far as most liberals I know. For one, I'm not an athiest.
I did a piece in here called Common misconceptions. It's under old posts. It just might interest you. hehe

Anonymous said...

Uh honey, I am anti-abortion, I do not believe in the current welfare system, I think Al Gore and his eco-wackos are looney (btw I have a degree in forestry & wildlife management), I believe in the 2nd amendment and I have no problem sending all the illegals back from whence they came. I think we should throw the UN out of this country (we provide over 40% of their funding) and withdraw from this totally worthless body. I do not believe in socialized medicine and I'm still waiting for Teddy Kennedy to brought to trial for murder. How close to liberal am I?

Ziem said...

I think Al Gore and his eco-wackos are looney (btw I have a degree in forestry & wildlife management)

Good, you'll be around when you find out you're wrong.

I think we should throw the UN out of this country (we provide over 40% of their funding) and withdraw from this totally worthless body.

The UN is the only thing standing between shrub and nazism.

I do not believe in socialized medicine and I'm still waiting for Teddy Kennedy to brought to trial for murder.

what about shrub and the killing of 655,000 iraqis? Hanging, video taped and placed all over these internets should do it.

And socialised medicine? My gram died because she couldn't afford her meds. So... let's see, fuck the poor? I mean, good God! What did the elderly ever do for you? Right? Well... except for that whole WWII thing. And remember, we are one wrung down the ladder from them.

How close to liberal am I?
I never said you were a liberal. I called you a centerist, just right of liberal.

Anonymous said...

1. Every weather trend we have is blamed on global warming. Forget the fact that our temperatures have fluctuated in cycles even since we started keeping records. It's just the normal ebb and flow of things.

2. Yeah I guess they were only ones standing between Clinton and Comminism too. uh huh

3. Yeah bush crammed 655,000 Iraqis in his oldsmobile ran it off a bridge and then left the scene, showered took a nap and 8 hours later reported the accident. I guess we should try Licoln in abstentia for the killing of all those brave Confederate soldiers too. And Truman for the slaughter of all those helpless civilians in Japan when he dropped the atomic bombs.

4. Drug prices are a big problem and not just for the elderly, trust me I know this and I have insurance and my meds still take me broke. The FDA doesn't act with any expediency in approving new medicines and there is absolutely no control over the drug companies. Socialized medicine hasn't worked in Canada. I'll give you a for instance. Here we have lists for transplant patients that are based on how long you've been on the list. In Canada the list is based on who would benefit the most. So, if a 60yr old needs a liver and an 18yr old needs a liver, the 18 yr old would get his first even if he was new on the list because in their estimation it would benefit him more because he would have a higher survival rate. Somehow this just doesn't strike me as taking care of our elderly either. Something needs to be done but I just don't see that as being the answer.

Ziem said...

1. That's neocon, pro-oil propaganda. It's very little research to see the truth.
2. The world needs the UN. I don't care if it's against a dem or rep.
3.Absolute bullshit! This is an illegal war of aggression. The only thing comparable would be Hitler going into Poland or Austria.
4.that, you have backwards. In this country, they claim it's need and success ratio. It boils down to who has the cash.
Canada is first come - first serve.
Their issues aren't the costs, their problem is a lack of health care professionals. These are paid by the state and they certainly don't make what a doctor here does. Thus, long lines, months waiting with a toothache. They have a good idea, it just needs some tweeking.
Something does need to be done. Law suits and FDA kickbacks needed to be addressed before wwe can even begin to look at this issue with any sense of reality.

Anonymous said...

#3) Uh huh, kind of like trying to overthrow Castro with CIA trained Cuban nationals. Or sending troops to southeast Asia to overthrow a popularly elected leader that just happened to be one of our stauchest allies in WWII.