Thursday, January 25, 2007

Pots and Kettles

My friends over at Liberal Avenger will know exactly what I mean by this thread. They are bombarded with righty-trolls who insist that liberals "hate America", "hate and do not support the troops", one of my personal favorites, we are "blinded by our hatred of the president to see the good in Iraq.. etc." and the list goes on and on and...

So, today, I rant.

I do not hate America. In fact, I have given a great deal to this country. I come from a long line of military personnel. I spent six years in the Navy myself. I gave a brother to Vietnam, I have a nephew in Iraq, a Coasty son who has spent two years in Haiti during their revolution, my dad did two tours in WWII, my grandfather was in WWI, I can trace this line back to the Revolutionary War.
I do not hate America. What I do hate is the killing, war profiteering and war mongering that are done in my name. I hate the fact that we went into Iraq over a lie. Yes, a LIE. Once caught in this lie, this administration just blew it off and "stayed the course." Do any of us know exactly what this "course" is? What our "mission" is? It certainly can't be to fight terrorism. Unless this mission is to help escalate terrorism. Then, we are on the road to victory!
Our brave men and women in uniform were set up to fail. You cannot win a war when there is no enemy. Terror, is not an enemy. Terror is an idea, an ideal, a propaganda, a tool.
We were not seen as liberators, no one threw flowers at our feet, hell, not a single Iraqi asked us to come and save them. Not one. So, why are we there again? If I did hate our troops, would I care this much to write about the injustices they were handed? Would I plead for their safe and swift journey home? Nope. Sounds more like Mr & Mr and Mr "Stay the course" hates the troops, eh? I mean, they are the ones who are demanding we ship more of them over there to be target practice (as my nephew calls it). Besides, wasn't it the decider who put them in harms way for no actual reason without the proper equipment in the first place? And I, as a liberal, hate the troops?
As for "Blinded by hatred.." Hatred? Yep. Blinded? Nope.
Yes, I can't stand this administration. I hate what they have done to thousands of troops and their family's, I hate what they have done to my life, the lives of thousands of good, hard working Americans. I hate that they have, for six years ignored of cried and the needs of those they actually are sopossed to be working for. I hate what he has done to our Constitution and our Bill of Rights, to justify his his own greed.
I have taken the liberty of stealing this from one of This Old Brits threads:

They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foreign gov't.

I hate that Americans have sat back and allowed this to happen, all in the name of fear. But, am I blinded? No, it seems I am not in that category. In fact, re-reading this, I see nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

Over 76%, maybe as high as 80%, of the people supported Bush going to Iraq when this all started back in 3/03. Man, there's a lot of sheep in this country. I'm not one them.

I don't mind the thought of people calling me names, they don't to my face anyway, but what the hell, I call them 'sheep', 'suckers', 'bush butt-boys' 'dumbass', etc, etc, and I'm the one who's been proven right, so I realize that they're just acting out to save themselves the embarrassment of admitting they fell for it.

By the way Laine, where's Osama?

Anonymous said...

If memory serves me the percentage of congresspeople that supported this expedition was even higher than that. And it's not like "W" is the first president to use the military for his own personal enjoyment. We have fought wars to stop the spread of communism i.e. Korea & Vietnam. We have sent troops to topple puppet dictators that we had set up & supported(Panama,Haiti) and we have sent troops to quell insurrections in countries that have been fighting each other for years (The Balkans, Somalia).Kennedy botched the Bay of Pigs trying to overthrow Castro. In the first Gulf war we sent troops to protect another country's sovereignty (Kuwait). Call me an "isolationist" if you like but in none of these instances was there a direct threat to this country. I do applaud Kennedy's handling of the Cuban Missle crisis. That was a threat to our national security and he showed great restraint but tremendous resolve in handling the issue. And Adalai Stevenson got world support from the UN with the way he made a fool out of the Soviet Ambassador. Wow! Look at that I could find something good to say about a democrat. Oh and Osama is probably hiding out within the borders of our good buddies the Pakistanis.

Ziem said...

Larry! Stop with the "but they..." routine. Look at right now, today. See, shrub keeps talking about learning past lessons (ok, so he can't get past 9/11, but..)the point is - HE needs to learn from those which you speak, not I.
Also, Stram said people, not congress. Of course that was higher - those were shrubs "people".

Stram:
I already get some hate mail - I wear it like a badge of honor! You do realize being a liberal woman - by their standards, I'm a poor, on welfare, lesbian. Damn! If only my husband and CC companys knew that, eh?
In the words of the man, "We don't care, he doesn't concern us.." gw 2003

Anonymous said...

"If memory serves me the percentage of congresspeople that supported this expedition was even higher than that"

Larry, sorry my man, but you didn't pass the 'sheep' test. You're wrong-the % in Congress was NOWHERE near those percentages.

In fact, Larry, you need to answer one more question so we can evaluate whether you're in the 'Bush Butt-Boy' club, or not.

Did MORE Congressional Democrats vote FOR or AGAINST authorizing Bush to attack Iraq?

Anonymous said...

tick-tock-tick-tock-tick-tock

Ziem said...

Stram, wasn't that vote "To use force if necessary?" not to Invade Iraq? Sorry for my stupidity on this one, but I thought that's what it was.
I can remember in 2004, my sister screaming at the TV while shub was pulling his "he was before it before he was against it.." thing.

fallenmonk said...

Nice rant. Couldn't have said it better myself. BTW I too am an old swab jockey as was my father and grandfather. Most of the jerks that laughed at me or worse accused me of being a traitor when I said way back that Bush was a whack job and that invading Iraq was the way to hell aren't laughing that much any more.

Anonymous said...

No, you're right, it was an authorization to use force as a last resort, but Congress should have never been so vague.

But, there were less congressional Democrats voting 'yes' than 'no'. In other words, if it had been all Democrats, or even a large majority of them, there would be no Iraq war.

If only.

Anonymous said...

now that's a rant!

Anonymous said...

Stram:

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 - Expresses support for the President's efforts to: (1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and (2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions.

Authorizes the President to use the U.S. armed forces to: (1) defend U.S. national security against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq. Directs the President, prior to or as soon as possible (but no later than 48 hours) after exercising such authority, to make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that: (1) reliance on further diplomatic or peaceful means alone will not achieve the above purposes; and (2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization for use of the armed forces, consistent with requirements of the War Powers Resolution.

Requires the President to report to Congress at least every 60 days on matters relevant to this resolution.

I stand Corrected. This Senate resolution passed and became law by a vote of 77-23 after 2 weeks of 16 different amendments that had some Senators had tried to add to the bill. It passed in it's original text and was signed by the president on 10/16/2002. It was not until 03/20/2003 that we invaded Iraq.

As for your tick-tock. I was out of town for the weekend and didn't have an opportunity to respond until now. I don't mind people calling me names either. I never lower my self to that level so it doesn't bother me. Name calling is just so childish and immature. Oh by the way, The roll shows a 28-22 majority of Democrats in the Senate voting yea!

Elaine: That was Kerry who was "for it before he was against it" not shrub. And as far as the "but theys", I'm sorry I forgot that in your eyes the only president that ever misused the military is "W". I will exert my right to critcize the administration before this one just as you can criticize the current administration. Ain't this a great country? Luvs ya blondie

Ziem said...

That was Kerry who was "for it before he was against it" not shrub.

I know... that was shrub blamming kerry for it and my sis was screaming at shrub for being a jackass over it.

Anonymous said...

Oh sorry babe, I misinterpretted how you had it written. Either way, all those including Kerry should have voted their conscience and lived with the decision. Hindsight makes a poor excuse to me. Instead of everyone babbling about how we made a mistake, someone should come to the forefront and offer a solution as to how to fix it. The damn politicians never learn from the past. DON'T COMMIT OUR TROOPS INTO AN ACTION WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF WINNING OR FINISHING! We are not the world's damned police force.